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President Goodluck Ebele Jonathan and Ibinabo, Agn National President |
Salihu
Othman Isah, popularly called HOTMAN is the National Vice
President (North West), Actors Guild of Nigeria (AGN). Hotman held an
interactive section with selected entertainment writers in Lagos recently where
he explained the rationale behind the Tuesday, February 18 visit to Aso Rock by
leading movie practitioners which has become an issue of controversy ever since;
his quarrel with the lack of implementation of the presidential pledge to the
sector by President Goodluck Jonathan, recent Federal appointments and in fact,
requested that it is time a Ministry of Nollywood Affairs is created. SOLOMON
OSHIOKE was there.
Excerpts.
Excerpts.
President
Jonathan received about eighty superstar actors and other practitioners under
the aegis of Actors Guild of Nigeria (AGN) about three months ago. What
prompted the visit?
The visit
was to bestow on President Goodluck Jonathan the prestigious position of Grand
Patron of the Guild as well as to request the support of the federal government
to move the industry forward. You know government has a big role to play if we
must realize our dream of building an industry that can compare favourably with
others like the American (Hollywood) and Indian (Bollywood) movie industries of
this world. As it is today, the Nigerian government and those of the various
states are doing next to nothing to support the growth of the entertainment
sector in spite of its contributions to the growth of the Nigerian economy,
especially in terms of job creations and laundering the nation’s image.
There
have been series of outcries by Nigerians since that visit to the Presidency.
Some of these protests are from fans of your movies and other stakeholders;
while some senior practitioners also fault it. Why these attacks?
Nigerians
are bound to react over issues sometimes just for the sake of reacting as they
have no point to make. The reactions are just for them to be heard and not
because they are justified. But why some respected players in the industry
would join the outburst is what is actually baffling. With due respect to those
who have criticized that visit, I would say it is uncalled for, because it is
not the first time such would be happening.
Are you
saying such senior and respected movie icons like Clarion Chukwura and John
Okafor (Mr. Ibu) and others who have opposed the visit don’t know what they are
saying?
You see,
I don’t want us to make it look as if there is a controversy here, because
there isn’t one. What we have instead is that some people fail to understand
our mission there; where they understand, those who were not on the entourage
simply resorted to crying foul. But without sounding immodest, I want to make
this clarification that heavens would not fall just because Nollywood visited
Aso Rock. We have been hearing all sorts of allegations against that visit with
some claiming that we went to beg for handout from the presidency. What insult?
Unfortunately, a director I respect so well, Charles Novia was the first to
react claiming we went cap in hand to beg for money. Although, Segun Arinze who
is the immediate past President of AGN have reacted adequately to his outburst
and I think he understands now why the visit had to hold. However, I have to
emphasis here that we did not go there for any form of handout. Ibinabo
Fiberesima as our President and head of the delegation delivered a speech
publicly which was very clear on the subject matter. It was clear that we were
there for issues that would move the industry forward. Personally, I do not
subscribe to such things as go begging for survival from government and its
officials. This is the reason I kept to myself while we were in that place watching
some of the stars scramble after some top government officials during and after
that visit. In Nigeria, this is normal, but you will never find me doing that
except I am maybe approached to offer honourable professional service. Again,
don’t forget that in Nigeria; everything revolves around government due to the
nation’s poor economy. So, if the likes of Mr. Ibu, Charles Novia and Clarion
Chukwura were not invited to be on the train, they should not see it as a
direct affront or disrespect to their person because at the point the list was
being drawn, no one probably remembered them. However, no ulterior motive was
intended. Simply put, it was nothing else, but an oversight. Though, I am not
trying to defend anyone over this. I am speaking because I am a member of the
National Executive Council of AGN and the bulk stops at our table. So, I would
not standby for anyone to rubbish the leadership.
One of
the point those Nigerians who reacted through the Facebook, Twitter and other
forms of social media was that the visit was also to pledge loyalty for
Jonathan’s campaign for 2015, how true is this?
This is
funny because, I do not see how everyone in the industry, or everyone who
embarked on the visit to be sympathetic to the President’s aspiration. This is
impossible, I mean; for the entire industry to support his 2015 presidency
project. Our visit was purely on professional ground and nothing more. If
anyone went behind afterwards for other motives, it is not to my knowledge.
But
Jonathan said a lot of lofty things about the sector which was seen as a way of
cajoling you to jump on his campaign?
What is
wrong with that? He is free to seek the support of anyone or any sector he
feels would be useful to his cause. I do not fault him for doing this. But he
only enumerated the advantages of sing the movie as a vehicle to propagate
government policies and programmes. And I believe this is a statement of fact
because movies are relied upon globally for this purpose.
It could
just be a veil approach by the President to say I would use you for my
campaign?
Yes, he
has the right to use whoever he has to use, especially if it is done legally.
President Barack Obama used entertainment as a vehicle to drive his campaign
for his first and second term in office. In fact, politicians worldwide have
resorted to employing entertainers for their campaign. We also experienced this
a great deal in 2011 here in Nigeria. The President had some of our members
campaigned for him. So, I don’t see anything wrong with that.
So, if he
comes knocking on the doors of Nollywood to support and campaign for his 2015
bid, are you saying you would oblige?
To answer
this question, I would say an emphatic no. In fact, I know Nollywood would not support
Jonathan’s re-election. I am saying this because I know it, not just as an
insider, but also a journalist who know how to nose around.
Why would
Nollywood not support him?
Because
they did last time (in 2011) and pledged support for the industry which he is
yet to fulfill over three years after. So, we don’t see him as a honourable
leader. You know, they say once beaten, twice shy.
With all
his assistance and support to the sector?
Like?
What is the support he has rendered to the industry? Tell me, which assistance?
But there
is this N3 billion Presidential Intervention Fund meant to be a support grant
for the industry that is expected to among other things help to develop the
sector by building the capacity of practitioners through training, improve
production and the marketing of movies among others?
Tell me
which one person has benefited since he made the pronouncement during his
campaign in 2011. No, I want you to mention just one beneficiary, I want to
know. I have said it elsewhere before and I want to re-emphasise here that they
are just playing Boju-Boju with the sector. It is like the more you see,
the less you understand. We are approaching another election year in 2015; the
2011 campaign promise has not been kept. I want to let my colleagues know that
it would be better for them to shine their eyes; even though, I’m aware there
was a seminar for business plan and film funding which took place at the Lagos
Business School in Victoria Island recently. The very few that could be
said to have drawn from the fund, especially in the marketing area are close
allies of the managers of the project. What is happening to the N150 million
Capacity Building Fund for the training and skills acquisition of
practitioners?
There is
still time achieve this, for the pledge to be kept?
Well, let
us see him keep the promise first. The reason why I warn our practitioners to
avoid being used unnecessarily is due to the fact that, there is no continuity
in leadership in Nigeria. If Jonathan fails re-election; that is the end of it
because it doesn’t even have legislative backing. So, you cannot insist that
his successor must fulfill the pledge he didn’t make. It was not his project,
moreso; the new President might even feel that the pledge was made by an
opponent to promote his aspiration, so he would quickly jettison it. We could
also have a scenario where Jonathan wins the election and is returned to office
and he would cancel the whole thing because he do not need you anymore since he
is not going to vie for another election; except of course, he chose to
perpetuate himself in office for a third term.
It was
revealed sometimes ago that structures are being put on the ground to realize
it and that online application for the local and foreign trainings have been
ongoing with N300 million said to have been released for this first phase. With
these efforts, don’t you think they need a little more time to have a proper
implementation?
I hope
you heard me right the very first time. I do not quarrel with putting
structures on the ground; the issue is how long for the structures to complete
for the project to take off. Those in charge, especially from the Coordinating
Minister for the Economy and Minister of Finance, Dr. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala as
well as the Minister of Tourism, Chief Edem Duke who are directly in charge may
have to explain the rationale behind the delay since they are the one handling
the issue. We have been hearing this same recycled story since June, last year
or even before then. So, how long would it take to get things started; and what
other structure do they want to put on ground since Project Act Nollywood, a
non-governmental organisation charged with handling the project has been
instituted since March 2013 and those on board have held series of meetings.
The online registration that you talked about is under the Project Act
Nollywood. This is mid-April 2014. As I speak; I know my members are
demoralised already and some don’t know what to believe anymore; whether the
project is real or not, whether it would be realized or not. Personally, I am
tired having to explained things to them in my zone and seeking their patience.
Let’s not fool ourselves, does it take them seconds to perfect things if they
want to steal government money, why would it take them years to keep the
presidential pledge.
There are
other forms of patronages like appointments which have been given to some of
your members by the Federal Government, the latest beneficiary being your
national president, Ibinabo Fiberesima who is now a board member of the
National Council of Arts and Culture...?
Are you
saying in a sector as huge as Nollywood, no one is good enough or qualified to
be a Minister or even a junior Minister? Though, there is nothing we could have
done to force Mr. President to do otherwise, if he didn’t give these
appointments, I want to make it clear that those who have gotten appointments
are card-carrying members of the ruling party; except for Ibinabo. The others
are politicians or personal friends of President Jonathan and were appointed
due to the settlement syndrome for their contribution to the struggle of their
party. Besides, how many of them got lucrative offices or are head of their
corporations or organisations if not Madam Onyeka Onwenu and Bongos Ikwue.
Don’t mistake the appointees filling the slots of Nollywood. They are PDP
card-carrying members while some vying for offices under the platform.
Are you
in essence advocating a ministerial appointment for a Nollywood practitioner?
Yes, I am
advocating that a filmmaker should be appointed a minister. We have those who
are very qualified to manage such office. In fact, the country is overdue for a
separate ministry to oversee our affairs, because we have contributed so much
to the nation’s growth. An industry that employs over a million people directly
and several more through the provision of ancillary services should not be
treated with kid gloves. The entertainment industry has helped to reduce the
burden on the leadership in the country, because the huge unemployment rate is
one of our biggest problems in Nigeria. So, there should be a complete ministry
created to handle its affairs and a player appointed to head the ministry. We
have practitioners such as Ibinabo Fiberesima, Pete Edochie, Kasimu Yero, Sani
Muazu, Olu Jacob, Joke Silva, Emma Ogugua and Richard Mofe-Damijo among others
who can be appointed Minister of Nollywood Affairs.
Ibinabo
in a recent interview showered praises on Jonathan in a recent interview; here
you are saying something different?
This is
the problem. Ibinabo is entitled to her opinion while I am entitled to mine. I
read that interview and there was nowhere she claimed to be speaking on our
behalf. In any case, if Ibinabo gets an appointment you can’t now expect her to
say anything wrong about her benefactor. She is one person in AGN or Nollywood,
so making her a board member does not amount to settling the sector.
What form
of contribution do you expect from the government?
I want
the government at all levels, especially at state and Federal levels to be more
proactive in offering support to the industry. It should be considered that for
a sector that lacks the backing of government and the corporate sector to have
achieved this much, with their backing the sky would be the limit; and this
would translate to more employment and growth in the nation’s gross national
product (GDP). To the FG, I expect that an independent Ministry of Nollywood
Affairs should be created to handle all issues relating to creative arts in the
country. Also I believe the intention of Mr. President is okay, the problem is
the non implementation of the pledge. So he has to be more proactive and
sincere in his dealings with us before making effort to seek our support in
whatever form. He needs to work really hard to get Nollywood to back him.
What do
mean when you say sincere and work hard?
Yes, I
say sincere because from what I have deduced from private random discussions,
especially with most top players in the industry, most of them really believe
the man is playing on the intelligence of those in the entertainment sector
with the huge pronouncements of support for the industry with little or nothing
to show for years and with his tenure running out. To add salt to the injury,
he pledged to involve the AGN in the Centenary programme and give us two slots
at the National Conference and we have not seen anything happening in these
direction with the conference inaugurated and into its first five weeks. I
won’t talk about the secretariat complex he promised because it might be too
early to start holding him or the Minister of FCT responsible for this. This
explains my advice to him to be more proactive and to work hard. This simply
means he should act fast because we are running against time due to the
approach of the general elections.
But as
observed earlier, something is being done?
The
question I’d like to ask here is that, at what pace is this being done? Let us
be more realistic on this matter please so that I am not misunderstood or
misconstrued. The issue is that the process can be faster if they actually mean
to realize it. We have instances where some state governments have sent their
citizens for training, both at home and abroad. I know Kano and Borno states
have done this, sending people for training is a trending way of providing
dividend of democracy in this dispensation. Kano have despatched over five
hundred to foreign universities to train in medicine, pharmacy and piloting
among other courses. For Borno state, Governor Kashim Shettima is also
preparing his state for the future challenges by sending 20 of its citizens for
MSc studies in Petroleum Geo-science in the United Kingdom, 35 girls to Sudan
for MBBS degree under the Female Medicine Intervention Programme, 49 teachers
for three months training in India to master the K-TAN electronic teaching
aides, 50 to Thailand on train the trainer course on Integrated Agriculture and
another 20 for a four years degree course on Maritime Science in the UK/India
in conjunction with Nigerian Maritime Administration and Safety Agency
(NIMASA). To imagine that this is a state under heavy bombardment from
terrorist attack and could still send its wards for training without
bureaucratic bottlenecks, we need to think twice over the slow pace of Jonathan
pledge to build the capacity of Nollywood filmmakers through training. What I
am trying to point out here is that it is realisable if they muster the
political will to make it happen.
AGN has
been undergoing series of crisis since your executive came on board. Why is
this so?
Crisis is
bound to happen whether it is at institutional level or family unit. The entire
world is currently undergoing various form of crisis, the Jonathan government
is under crisis; the state governments are under crisis, so AGN is not alone in
this. Anywhere two or three co-exist, there is bound to be one form of
misunderstanding or the other. The tongue and cheek also quarrel often, but it
is the ability to overcome this crisis that matters. Check out the
history of great nations like the United States, Great Britain, Germany or
Italy; they have all gone through one form of crisis or the other. So, AGN
would get over its crisis and come out stronger in the long run; I can assure
you this.
We hear
the warring parties are not ready for truce while Ibinabo Fiberesima, the AGN
boss herself is not helping matters and this have led to the factions in the
Guild?
This is
not true. You see, in every organisation where crisis brew, it is usually easy
to start the crisis, but getting over it takes a little more time. It is
oftentimes a more Herculean task. Ibinabo alone cannot be the problem of AGN.
It goes beyond her, because the problems were there before she came on board.
So, how
would you rate Ibinabo’s leadership so far?
She is
trying her best. She has come and she is making her inputs as a leader and she
would leave with some legacies I believe. You know, the problem with Nigerians is
that they must fault every leader. This is just the Nigerian factor.
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